Daughter of Godcast 083

This is the Daughter of Godcast, Season 2 Crowd Creation where you make the movie, Episode 083, Relief.

I’m just back from Detroit and Motor City Madness, my first model car swap and sale. My mission there was to expand the Toy Universe  for Daughter of God. I arrived a couple of hours before the end, I could have easily spent another hour or two looking at the all diecasts and kits. I did score a couple of choice vehicles that will work as miniatures. Curiously, the attendees were mostly white dudes over 35. I’ve broken through to a topsy turvy universe, where teenage boys no longer yearn for their driver’s license, and scale models of cars are mostly built by middle aged men.

Feedback for V2 was lean, prolly because I missed my Wednesday AM posting window last week and V2 was a revision, not brand new. All’s well, this episode will be short and sweet, and we can bring a few other pots to the front burner.


Relations have gone from awkward to incoherent between our the two seemingly mismatched people. Both seem frustrated and slightly on edge, but a drawer of vintage paperbacks points to an epiphany.

What’s new in V2 for you?

For Anonymous via email, the polish was inconsequential “I‘m guessing that some technical stuff that was mentioned has happened but what i was focusing on seems the same.

And what was Anonymous focused on?

(snip) another person in the scene?
god – aka p.k. dick (the god of science fiction)


maybe others are not familiar with pk dick but it seems that to science fiction readers he was the ‘creator of the genre’ and thus ‘god’

There would vigorous debate among the nerd class as to whether PKD was the creator of the genre, and therefor the god of science fiction. Certainly PKD is up there in the pantheon. What I take from anonymous is that PKD is certainly God for the characters in his stories, even if they can’t name him as such. Since PKD’s books are featured in DOG, he is certainly present, I’m tickled to have him as a collaborative divinity. Good on you, Anonymous.

In hindsight, I don’t think my feedback question was clear. I was mostly interested in whether the polish enhanced or changed the emotional experience of the scene. Seamus gave an inventory of the changes he noticed.

Seamus via dog.movie

(snip) Most interesting, you changed the background behind his head at 0:22. Where before was a wall of hangars, there now is some device which I can’t identify. I’m intrigued to know why this change was made.

My reply,

The device behind his head is present in Rabbit and Dog and might be more clearly seen there. So… continuity. The reason the device appears at all could be backstory or maybe context, I’d be curious to know what you think the device might be or do. (snip) There are lots of details like the device that are not yet present in these live action scenes because 1) I’m still building them and 2) I don’t want to clutter up the feedback.

Seamus then continues with “technical details” that is to say, mistakes.

(snip) “Also, both characters seem oddly brightly, warmly lit in the otherwise dim room. Finally, the drawer doesn’t appear to be fully open in the clip at the very end, which might be a continuity error.”

The drawer is definitely a mistake, a significant continuity error that everyone else missed the first time around, including me. Yay Seamus! The color correction is deliberate, and might have to be dialed in.

From Seamus’s feedback, I can declare the polish effort for V2 a limited success. Cleaning up the scene brought new elements onto Seamus’s radar. Seamus has been consistent with his feedback. He’s so danged blessed.

Relief boxes

Daughter of God is a post apocalyptic movie, the story takes place after a series of global catastrophes and disasters. Some survivors were lucky enough to find boxes of essential supplies, possibly air dropped by some benevolent government or organization.  The boxes contents vary, from personal hygiene to solar water distillers.

This episode, we present not a scene, but a video version of an RPG or role playing game.

Time to play SIM DOG

You, your immediate family and a handful of besties are the mostly unscathed survivors of several horrific events including but not limited to undead resurrection, saurians cyborgs, earthquakes, meteor strike, robot uprising, plague, tsunami, tactical nuclear engagements, civil war, alien invasion, sun burn, poor cell reception… There’s no telling what’s coming, likely more harrowing intensity is just ahead. Having found a safe improvised shelter for your peeps,  you wander away and discover, scattered over an open field, hundreds of relief boxes. You can only carry three boxes back, which three do YOU grab and why?

Wow! Hardly even 10 minutes to be part of the sweetest little cinematic collaboration this side of REM sleep.

Daughter of Godcast, Crowd Creation Episode 083, Relief! Short and sweet and now lickety split back to your hovel with your three boxes. Meanwhile just after this podcast, Real Life. What three desires would you most like to fulfill right now? Financial abundance, robust health, thriving children, world peace, a benevolent government, a just, sustainable and compassionate human presence on earth, fair trade dark chocolate, a decent cup of coffee, companionship, great sex, freedom, a feeling of being fully alive? We stand surrounded by choice, the kingdom of heaven is spread upon the earth and humans do not see, especially when they are shopping. Are the boxes invisible or are we staring up at the stars? You can have the stars and the boxes both, as many as you can carry. Stay tuned for my 10 step tutorial!






Daughter of Godcast 082

The Daughter of Godcast Season Two Crowd Creation is on the air! We would rather be in the cables, fiber optic and copper because constant cell and wireless exposure could be hazardous to your health. If you don’t have the option of a hardwired connection, try downloading these episodes and listening and or watching offline. This has been a public service announcement.

But being human is all about risks, right? Plus wireless connection feels like the future – we just call out for what we want and Google answers, or the pizza guy delivers or our girlfriend sends a sext. Wireless internet is the cosmos in miniature, modelling our meta, the possibility of being connected to all things.

This is episode 082, V2 or Version 2.0. This episode is historic, rather than introduce a new scene, we are going repost Drawer from 081 with changes driven by your feedback and see how Drawer V2 changes your experience.


Last week, I ran out of time getting Drawer ready for posting. I didn’t do the usual polish, fixing glitches and trimming rough edges. I was a little embarrassed posting Drawer actually, and at the same time intrigued by what might happen.

Scott T and Kirk C expressed an interest in getting under the hood of Crowd Creation, to see how feedback was effecting my choices. There’s lots of feedback on Drawer and since I wasn’t particularly comfortable with Version 1.0, I decided to act on that feedback and revise immediately.

Your feedback is not only making the movie but changing the way we are making the movie. This Crowd Creation concept was just another one of my zany ideas, I’ve never seen movie feedback implemented on the internet. The last 10 weeks have proven to me that this process not only works, but is in fact the bomb. The movie is getting better, blooming. Starting with 082 and in the episodes to come, I’d like to reveal HOW your feedback is making the movie.

Feedback Drawer

Relations have gone from awkward to incoherent between our the two seemingly mismatched people. Both seem frustrated and slightly on edge, but a drawer of vintage paperbacks points to an epiphany.

Feedback question – Besides the man and woman, what other characters are active in this scene?

There are now 4 principles of Crowd Creation, check them out at dog.movie. Principle 3 states that when you describe your experience with a scene, your feedback is always valid, correct and appropriate. Doesn’t matter who you are or where you are coming from.

Some of our commenters are all about the big picture, the grand pageant of characters and their inter-connections. Others are highly tuned to subtle details, nuance and celebrate an auspicious aesthetic meshing. If I post a scene with ragged edges, they’ll chafe, raise a red flag. Let’s start with them.

Joe via FB

“They look a bit super imposed as none of the light on their bodies reflects the purple, it’s distracting, kind of removes you from the experience.”

The scene Rabbit and Dog has the same color correction as Drawer, except with more polish. Joe didn’t comment on Rabbit and Dog, so I am not sure whether the lack of polish or the overall color correction doesn’t work for him.

Kirk via dog.movie was more specific about the color correction critique.

(snip) “key framing could use a little touch up if possible.” (snip) “There were (snip) glitchy elements/fragments (in) the woman’s hair during (snip) .33 to .34 (snip)
Just out of curiosity though, why did you choose to green screen them into the scene instead of just shooting them in the room? Or is it a mixture of both?

Kirk wasn’t clear on the VFX techniques involved, but he could see problems and provided clear examples.

Kirk was both diplomatic and encouraging regarding the sound mix.

“The audio could use some adjustments. Some sounds seemed exaggerated and also a bit rough at times. And other times (the drawer opening at the end) needed more sound.”

Both Seamus and Susan assumed I knew the sound mix was not optimal…

Seamus via dog.movie was very matter of fact

“The audio needs editing, but I think you’re probably aware of that.”

Whereas Susan via FB packed a little more punch.

“What’s up with the sound?”

So far the feedback is the result of a lack of technical polish, the rest of the feedback is concerned with character and story.

Tim via FB

I’m not sure what they need to do, but if they need to “get it on” maybe she was going for his porn stash and didn’t want to touch the drawer with her hand (but if he had a foot fetish it could be a turn on). I’m not sure if she was disappointed with what she saw or maybe just had to sit down and take it in. The god reference at the end has me a little bewildered.”

Tim starts off by saying he doesn’t know “what they need to do”, but runs with the premise that it’s about sex. Tim is also not sure about the drawer,  opining that the woman is either “disappointed” or “had to sit down to take it in.” Opening the drawer triggered a significant emotional shift for her, but Tim’s unclear what that was. “God” had no resonance.

Lori via FB

“She wants to, he doesn’t. She is thinking out loud as she says God…as in god, he’d rather be reading. Apprehension all around.”

Lori is clear that this scene is about sex, and that the man’s not interested. The woman says “God” because she realizes the man would rather be reading than have sex with her. That’s a fascinating intuitive leap by Lori, the appearance of the books wiping out the woman’s agenda.

Here’s Lori again.

“It’s almost like they’re both thinking out loud and inside each other’s brain just a little bit. She has more courage than him though.”

Whoa, “thinking out loud and inside each other’s brain.” That’s opens up more story for me, more information about both characters and maybe their environment, circumstances. Why would they both be thinking out loud? That’s like taking to themselves and when does that happen?

Lori lauds the woman as having “more courage than him.” Then this zinger…

“Like Dorothy she is surrounded by purple she’s no coward.”

Wow, Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz, obviously. In contrast to Joe, Lori embraces the color correction, the purple either empowers the woman or is a signature of the woman’s power. Super cool.

Pam via FB observed the woman’s detachment, Like she’s going through the motions (although what motions I cannot guess). (snip) “she is moving in a dreamlike state sometimes” and pulling the drawer open with her toe “underscores her detachment.”

Pam also opined her speech and demeanor emphasize how slowly she is absorbing everything around her.” (snip) “I am glad to see her finally react with some emphasis when she discovers his hidden cache of science fiction novels in the drawer.It awakens some awe in her that of course I want to know more about, God or no God.”

From that final quip, I’m getting that the God reference has no relevance for Pam either.

Kirk pasted lots of elements together to come up with a theory of God.

“This addition furthers my curiosity from the rabbit and dog segment. If I put ‘you remind me of someone…’ and ‘it’s God’ together, mixed with “’look, we just have to…’ and your feedback question for the previous scene, it really leads me to think that they’re offspring would be the Daughter of God or she is referring to him reminding her of her father (God)…”

Bravo Kirk for an intriguing assemblage of diverse clues.  I’m not sure I follow the logic on how all these connect, but I love your tenacious fitting together.

Both Seamus and Scott opined that the pink shirt didn’t belong to the man.

Scott via Vimeo

I love the way she is deftly merged into the door of the wardrobe as the scene opens… (snip) The guy is so carefully unengaged, while she wraps herself in the lingering vestiges of someone in the shirt she is caressing… it surely cannot be the parka wearing, eye rolling fella….


What about the owner of the pink shirt? Is it his? Is it hers? Is it someone else’s? (snip) I’m not sure this guy’s into pink.

Scott and Pam also like the foot pulling the drawer open, and Scott seemed to suggest the foot move could be a sort of ritualistic invocation.

She seems to be trying to convince him of the rightness of whatever it is they are contemplating, without trying too hard… The appearance to her of GOD, not needing an arduous trek up to the mountain top, does require a balancing act, replete with a tricky (snip) maneuver of opening the drawer with her tootsies.

Both Seamus and James addressed the feedback question – Besides the man and woman, what other characters are active in this scene?

James via dog.movie ” ‘you remind me of someone’, there is someone unknown here.”

and Seamus

Well, the obvious answer would be Mr. Old Man Hand from (Best Scenario Yet). The P.K.D. novels are a giveaway. I’m starting to gather that he was Uncle Joe, and the little girl was Christina. Then, of course, there’s God, whatever that means, who Christina mentions explicitly. (snip) “She says he reminds her of someone. She may be referring to Uncle Joe, which, in context, might make the scene even more awkward, but then again, she might not. Who is the mysterious person he reminds her of? Some former lover, like the man thinks? Someone else entirely?”

Someone else entirely? Maybe. James also offered this intriguing tidbit.

And the characters on the books.

I replied,

“The characters on the books”… Who do those books belong to? Probably not the woman, as she seems to discover them. If the man, and assuming he’s read them, do you think these fictional characters might be influencing his actions and perspective?

Can characters from books invade a movie if their books are featured prominently in a scene? Who knows really what goes on in fictional universes? I like this idea.

Ok, here’s Drawer V2. Talk about whatever you feel. Or answer this very simple feedback question. What’s new in V2 for you?

Wham, another episode 082 V2 Daughter of Godcast Crowd Creation. I wonder if feedback will change for V2. Whether tuned to technical subtlety or not, everyone’s experience is compromised by rough edges. Scenes are nothing but a synergy of myriad technical details. Editorial, color correction, sound mix and VFX all come together to change recorded performances by actors into the experiences of actual people unfolding in the moment. When these elements are jangled, the story looses momentum, actions and consequences get muddled, character motivations become more confusing, the entire scene looses power and umph.

Here’s some feedback that won’t change.

“Lol. I have watched this so many times now. I love it when the guy makes the exasperated sound.”

That’s from the characteristically enthusiastic Jil. Join Jil and all the rest of our real life characters and give us some feedback love. Ciao!




Daughter of Godcast 081

Won’t you be my neighbor? My collaborator, creative consultant? When you donate your brain to art, you get to have it back afterwards – better, stronger, faster. Test drive the hive mind with Crowd Creation, Daughter of Godcast Season Two. This is episode 081, Drawer and I am one version of Dan Kelly, Shri Fugi Spilt, skidding into the super conscious from Northern Michigan, where we’re still enjoying a gorgeous, cold winter. On the road ahead, a dense drift of fresh snow, whisping white in the wind. Let’s hit the gas and slam on through, blinding ourselves with beauty.

Feedback Creaky

A woman peers out from a door ajar. A prolonged creak as she slowly opens the door, revealing an enigmatic figure, half smiling. She seems to recognize him, calling him by name.

The feedback question – What emotions does the woman experience as she opens the door?

Funtastic feedback from our core and a recent arrival.
Pam weighed in with a vintage reference from the 80’s, referring to the dude in the hallway, Uncle Joe as Freddy Krueger, the dream serial killer from Nightmare on Elm Street. I was 21 back in 1984 and too busy raising my own sweet hell myself to bother with Freddy or the Nightmare franchise. Until checking Wikipedia today, had only a vague notion of what the story was about. Here’s a movie poster, note in the upper right there’s a fedora silhouette.
The cover for the score is strikingly similar to how Uncle Joe appears through the doorway in “Creaky” Oops.
Creaky’s strong association and even homage to Nightmare on Elm Street is totally unintentional. We’ll have to consider whether this helps or hinders our movie.
For Pam, the woman’s emotional journey starts off rough. “At first she seems a bit nonplussed, taken aback, as she scans her visitor from toe to top.” (snip) Recognition and realization cross her face as she slowly accepts him and her smile turns into one of welcome.
Then Pam offers a fascinating perspective.
“To me it looks like she has made up her mind to greet him warmly, but I am not convinced.”
I encouraged Pam to explain.
” ‘I am not convinced’, meaning that she is not authentically feeling warm towards him? What is she really feeling about him, do you think?”
Pam responded.
“I think she is feigning her welcome, (snip). I don’t know why she’s not so happy to see him, maybe just surprised or taken aback, but then she decides there’s no reason not to acknowledge him. For me, if he’s been brought back from the dead or dying, I might have some hesitancy about my feelings. It seems creepy, somehow.
I love how Pam steps into the shoes of the woman, wearing her. Pam IS the woman in the doorway, an ideal perspective for offering robust feedback.
Timothy threw his fedora into the ring with a bit of sarcasm that I didn’t immediately catch, but after a bit of prodding, all was revealed.

Timothy via Facebook, Best door opening sound effects ever!”

Me I agree totally… but how does it make you feel?!”
It was sort of like pulling off a band aid. Maybe she was afraid of what she was going to see, but just whip it open, (she’s) only making it worse.” (snip) I do think the door sound was a little over the top though, in the back of my mind I was picturing you farting into a microphone.”

I resisted the temptation to look up the world record for longest fart in the Guiness Book.  Door creak as fart was also corroborated by Seamus, which may say more about Timothy and Seamus than about this sound effect. And perceiving the door creak as a super long fart might be a happy accident, Seamus called it a “comedic moment”.

Tim likened her door opening to “pulling a band aid off”, he wanted her to  just yank the door open and get it over with.  Which implies the woman has a wound, the guy in the hall is somehow involved with her wound, and now she’s gotta do self care. Tim’s experience is packed with inferences, which demonstrates a connection to the woman, she’s not doing what Tim would do and so he’s feeling annoyed. Tearing off bandages is probably not standard first aid practice, so Tim’s really talking about how he would open the door, which is wonderful.

This feedback process is so amazing. I think I’ve just learned something new about the woman from Tim.  I wrote her lines, I directed the actor. There shouldn’t be anything I don’t know about this woman. Yet, Tim’s band aid metaphor is rich with insight. Wounds and self care, wow. Thanks Tim and welcome to the Crowd Creation!

Seamus via dog.movie offered a wide spectrum of emotional experience…

“She looks like she experiences hesitation, then mildly alarmed puzzlement, then bemused acceptance.”

…and then dropped a wild card.

“It looks like she was expecting him to show up, but didn’t know when.”

That’s feels resonant for me, here again, new insight into the woman’s character.  How long she had been waiting – minutes, weeks, years? Perhaps she’s been in a kind of suspended animation, as if aboard a sleep ship sent to colonize a distant star system, the crew revived just before planet fall. Returned to the busy-ness of waking life. Has she been activated after a long dormancy? Coming on-line? Nice one, Seamus!

Joe via Facebook offered this poetic impression about the woman’s experience.

“Serenity then arousal (slightly sexual) and then genuine joy. The door creak made me think of the way when we’re entranced or focused we can utterly disregard something otherwise awkward or annoying. Also made me think of how reality moves so slowly compared to memory or thoughts or dreams.”

and this from James via dog.movie

“She looks calm, mellow, quietly awed, friendly, tender, curious, and spellbound.”

Like Pam, Tim and Seamus, Scott via Vimeo identifies  a harsh initial emotional state for the woman “her face begins in a cautious, barely recognizing gaping stare, then blossoms and grows luminous” (snip).

Both Scott and Pam remarked favorably on the Dead Birds Carry Contagion poster behind Uncle Joe. With all Scott’s erudite commentary, his key contribution this episode was a more meta inquiry.

“you discuss the many ways that comments have helped shape the movie…. might you soon be able to give an example of an instance that feedback (snip) has resulted in you editing a scene differently, adding/subtracting something from a scene [?] (snip) how’s it REALLY effecting change in your process. [?] “

I responded thus…

“You bring up a great point that I’ve been pondering. As you already know, we are inventing this Crowd Creation on the fly, we meaning me and everyone who’s offering feedback. I want feedback that’s pure, uncontaminated by my preconceptions about what the scene is about or even any context of surrounding story. The less I can say about the scene in the way of setup, the better.

Feedback can be emotional responses, associations, triggered memories, guesses about what might be going on and interpretations of what the characters could be experiencing. I especially dig when folks riff on the themes, spin off variations and totally new scenarios, like Allison and Seamus have done for past scenes.

From my perspective, feedback hints at whether the effect of the scene…

a) matches my expectations
b) exceeds my expectations
c) is problematically dissonant from my intentions
d) is catastrophically dissonant from my intentions
e) deliciously subverts my intentions, introducing exciting new possibilities

I haven’t disclosed what I’ve learned from the feedback so far because I haven’t wanted to contaminate feedback from folks that might join us in the future. However, (snip) I’ve got to share the evolution, somehow.

So along with new scenes, I want to start reposting scenes with feedback inspired revisions and request impressions again. Somehow this would include a discussion of changes and the rationale for same.”

The Crowd Creation is shifting. I’ve felt a yearning for more and Scott tuned into this cosmic vibe. More soon.


Relations have gone from awkward to incoherent between our the two seemingly mismatched people. Both seem frustrated and slightly on edge, but a drawer of vintage paperbacks points to an epiphany.

Feedback question – Besides the man and woman, what other characters are active in this scene?

That’s our episode, 081 Drawer. Thanks for listening and we look forward to your observations, insights and grousing.

The Daughter of Godcast Crowd Creation is such a  cinematic innovation, we might as well be speaking Francais. Auguste and Louis Lumière, Georges Méliès, and Jean-Luc Godard have nothing on you all! Even though I’ll be in the credits for Daughter of God as writer, director and special effects supervisor, YOU are making this movie. Your feedback yanks my strings, helping me to lollop and cavort like an ecstatic puppet, almost a real boy. Your feedback is my soma, my rocket fuel, my blueprint for awakening the hearts and minds of the sustainable civilization. Just as Harleys are more brand than bike, Daughter of God is way more movement than movie. Art is the answer, ecstatic dance our revolution, to paraphrase that sexy bitch, Emma Goldman. Or Michigan’s own Voltairine de Cleyre, a total babe.